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Monday, July 24, 2017

OUT OF THE TUNNEL

Photo Credit: David Moll
THINK BEFORE YOU JUMP

Let's get right to it but first, just slowly back away from the panic button. While Rider Nation has every right to begin the fretting after a 27-10 domination by the Calgary Stampeders at McMahon Stadium Saturday night, we here at Out of the Tunnel want to offer some food for thought before you jump off that cliff.

You hear grumblings at the lakes, cottages and summer outdoor festivals. You read them on message boards, comment sections and social media -- the pure frustration, mostly due to the Riders' start of the game in Calgary.

Pick any part of what went wrong in the opening half and it has been mentioned: Jerome Messam running roughshod, Kevin Glenn getting sacked five times, less than 100 yards of offence, poor play in the defensive backfield; really there wasn’t much that was positive to pick out.

Coming off a bye week - and prior to that a solid performance in a victory over the beleaguered Hamilton Tiger-Cats - many were expecting the Green & White to come out of the tunnel and play fast, physical football. It was anything but.

By now, we have all either watched, re-watched, poured over stats and/or read every blogger’s point of view about what happened and all of it adds to the frustration.

Simply put the Riders are now 1-3 and, during Chris Jones’ first 22 games as head coach. just 6-16. To see it in print stings, but for fun, let’s compare it to the past ten head coaches after their first 22 (or less if fired prior) games.

Chris Jones (2016-2017)         6-16
Corey Chamblin (2012-2013) 12-10
Greg Marshall (2011)              1-7 *fired after week eight
Ken Miller (2008-2009)          14-8
Kent Austin (2007)                  12-6
Danny Barrett (2000-2001)     7-14-1
Cal Murphy (1999)                  3-15
Jim Daley (1996-1997)           7-15
Ray Jauch (1994-1995)           11-11 *lost eight straight to begin 1995 season
Don Matthews (1991-1992)    7-15
John Gregory (1986-1987)      6-15-1

So there you have it: 30 years of Rider head coaches and their (mostly) inauspicious starts. Only four were .500 or better but Austin and Miller inherited teams that were .500+ the previous year and Jauch’s slide was swift in year two.

Corey Chamblin is the only one to turn things around, but it too was gradual. He took over after a tumultuous 2011 that saw Greg Marshall fired eight games into the season and the team finishing 5-13 under Ken Miller.

In 2012, Chamblin was three games better at 8-10 and was again three games better (11-7) in 2013 and won it all (which is starting to feel like another lifetime ago).

What’s the point of this exercise? To remind us all that to turn around any team takes time, and sometimes a two or three game improvement year over year is all that is needed (and maybe a dash of patience would help).

But, this isn’t the Saskatchewan Roughriders of even five years ago. A turnaround should be easier than it was in the past. There’s a brand new $280-million stadium that is the jewel of outdoor facilities in Canada, the business operations is the best in the CFL, and most importantly the biggest and most engaged fan base in the league. This is supposed to be THE destination in the CFL and recruiting players for fast success should be easier.

Secondly, if you look back at the list, only Ken Miller had more than just the head coach title. He was also Vice-President of Football Operations. This adds to the frustration for fans, everything begins and ends with Chris Jones -- on the field and off.

These are tough times right now and as a fan, you have every right to complain, pick apart and chastise the team you love.

NOTES FROM WEEK 5

- It seems like Edmonton just finds ways to win and Hamilton finds new ways to lose. The Ti-Cats led for 55:27 of the game with the Eskimos first and only lead coming with :33 remaining. The drive that Mike Reilly led for that game winning touchdown was football artistry. It is a thing of beauty to watch as all facets of the offence are clicking at the same time. In a pressure situation, everyone was on the same page; Offensive coordinator Carson Walch was in a play calling groove (all :37 of it), while Reilly was a calm field general guiding the five-play, 75-yard drive that also included a pair of running plays. If you have a chance, go watch that piece of mastery again.

- Reilly is also our early choice for CFL MOP.

- A funky Week 5 ends Monday night with the REDBLACKS playing their second game in six days as they head to Toronto to take on the Argonauts. Ottawa escaped with a 24-16 victory over Montreal on Wednesday night and back-to-back wins would go a long way towards erasing any memory of the poor start to the season.

- The Game of the Week was the 45-42 B.C. Lions victory at home over Winnipeg on Friday. The Bombers had a 42-27 lead early in the fourth quarter and did everything they could to give it away (did they take lessons from the Ti-Cats?). It will be interesting to see how this affects a team that was off to a pretty good start to the season.

- Finally, this is going to be a fun week in preparation for Saturday afternoon’s battle with Toronto at Mosaic Stadium. It marks the return of Corey Chamblin to Saskatchewan since being fired mid-way through the 2015 season and will be interesting if he will, or be allowed to, meet with the local media. It may be one of the few times a coordinator will have more requests than the head coach.

A Canadian To Watch In The NCAA In 2017

Neville Gallimore – DT
University of Oklahoma
6’2” 310lbs.
Hometown – St. Caatherine’s, Ont.
Class – RS-Soph.

As a redshirt freshman in 2016, Gallimore played in all 13 games, starting six for the Sooners. He finished the season with a sack and four tackles for loss. He will start at tackle in 2017 with the Sooners switching to a 4-3 defence. Gallimore is the second Canadian to play for the Sooners, following in the footsteps of current Rider offensive lineman, Josiah St. John.

What To Do Between Games This Week:

With the REDBLACKS in Toronto Monday night, and Montreal in Winnipeg on Thursday, there isn’t much time between games. So, it’s simple, go watch season two of Last Chance U on Netflix.

(Written by RodPedersen.com Staff)

75 comments:

Anonymous said...

Ed Hervey where are you? Your football services are needed asap in Regina with the Roughriders.

Anonymous said...

The Riders don't have a long history of greatness. They just have a long history of mediocrity. At this point it seems like that long history of mediocrity is what will continue.

Anonymous said...

It's not fair to compare the coaches of today's Riders of with unlimited resources to yesteryear's telethon teams.
By the way, the shellacking the Riders took was not surprising to anyone in this province other than the staff of RodPedersen.com Staff.
How anyone can be privy to so much insider information and still be so blind is beyond me.

SWC

Anonymous said...

Two points Rod. First, yes it's great to have a new stadium & it IS a selling point. But that doesn't necessarily make it THE destination in the league. Calgary has arguably the worst barn in the league & has no problem keeping players because they're a winner. Winnipeg, Toronto, Hamilton, Ottawa all have new stadiums & great facilities. Commonwealth spent millions on renovations the past couple of years. Secondly, how often do you hear a team bad mouthing the team they left? Not all that much. With Mr. Jones it happens a lot. Do you think Durant, Chick, Lemon, Capicciotti, Newsome, Dressler etc. would ever play for Jones again in Regina or the next place he goes? Do you think Jones had any hope of signing Nichols in the off season? Jones has a habit of publicly making comments which are uncomplimentary to the departing players - for what reason? So, is Regina THE destination of choice for players? Doubt it.

Adrian DeCorby said...

I think a lot of concern is how far the Riders seem behind the rest of their West division opponents. Last year (& assumingly this year) you should need to be 11-7 to make the West playoffs. Does anyone really think this team can go 10-4 down the remaining stretch???

To open the season they went 1-2 only against probably the 3 other worst teams in the league, other themselves (MTL, WPG, Ham). Playing next against Toronto is basically a must win, as they play BC, BC, Edm before Labour Day... and nothing less than 2-2 in the next 4 to stay really in contention.

Okay... so there's the crossover; but we'll need to be ahead WPG to make that, we are already down 1 game in the season series, so they are effectively 2 games behind them, and need to sweep the remaining games to own the tiebreaker. To make playoff I figure the Riders need to get to 9-9 and sweep the remaining 2 games vs the Bombers, that's going 8-6, so doable but they need to start now. Or Sat against Toronto or it seems like another wasted season.

I am behind them as much as any other Bleeding Green diehard, but what amount of consistent play has this Chris Jones led group of players shown us to believe they can play above .500 football against competition better than them.... fingers crossed, hoping for the best... but without GREEN coloured glasses on, I feel Rider Nation has reasons for some concern. Prove us wrong, that's their job!

Adrian in Saskatoon

Anonymous said...

The Riders could have made it a real close game with the Stamps had the team reported back from their bi-week in the 1st half instead of the second.

Anonymous said...

Greg Morris has been done a real fine, consistent job on kick-off returns in all four games. It shan't be long before he breaks one all the way.

Anonymous said...

I acknowledge that the Riders are in a catch 22. On one hand, they need fan support to pay huge bills. They really can't afford to get rid of Jones with what they are paying him. That is why I do not approve of giving that many titles to one man. Even if you still believe that Jones is a great coach, he was not proven as a GM. And was not proven as anything in Saskatchewan, which is a distinct market. B.C. and Calgary have been very successful with Huffer and Wally as coach/GM. However, Huff spent several years in Calgary as their OC before being given those titles. And Wally was head coach in Calgary for a few years before being given both titles and moved on to B.C. to do the same. I don't believe either one attempted to also be a coordinator, but delegated someone they trusted. They also rely on their scouts and do not have countless mini camps trying to personally find new talent. Jones seems to be determined to have complete control, even though he is inexperienced at the GM position and had only two years as head coach before landing here. I should add that Wally had already won a few Grey Cups as coach/GM in Calgary before B.C. handed him the keys.
And on the other hand, I am old enough to remember all of the above mentioned coaches and their 22 game records. Correct me if I am wrong but I do not believe any of them were also given the GM title so there was some control over them. None of them came in and blew up their new team. They all replaced players as they found better replacements. None of them dressed 102 players in their first year here. How could anyone, no matter how good a coach, possibly analyze talent under those conditions? None of them brought in some of the best players in their position in their first year, only to have them wanting to be traded shortly into the season(Lemon and Cappicotti). None of them racked up $160,000 in fines in just over a year here. None of them brought in an old NFL QB that hadn't played in 6 years and tried to convince us that he would be the greatest. None of them kicked a player on his way out the door, and none of them had so many players say that they would not come back to play for him. None of them coined phrases here like "moderately successful" or "numbers don't lie" without looking in the mirror. None of them lectured another coach about class when he has none himself. And finally, none of them made George Reed feel unwelcome in Taylor Field.
I have had my rant. No fan wants to feel like his team is the laughing stock of the league. Yesterday someone said to me, "Jones just makes it so easy to hate him". I have sympathy for the BOD and Mr Reynelds. It is a tough position that they are in and there is no easy answer. But the fans do pay the bills and have every reason to be angry at Chris Jones, with no improvement obvious at this time.

Anonymous said...

Looking forward to Coach Brackenridge's return to Riderville.

Anonymous said...

Make no mistake a new stadium or great fans are not the best recruiting tools. Winning is. No player wants to go some where that he will lose 70% of the time. This has been shown by the number of players that have opted to retire after being traded to the riders recently.

Anonymous said...

Don't compare Chris jones to Riders past. We need to raise the bar. Except between 2007 and 2013 we have been mediocre. We want what the stamps or lions have had since the early 2000's. Continued success. This current team keeps hurting itself and it starts with the GM to the.coaching staff to the players. How many times are we going to hear we weren't prepared....well then maybe it's time for a few coaching changes. A new OC and hiring an actual DC. Every year Calgary can plug and play players they find...not so much the Riders. Minimum we should be .500 right now. Still not getting it done.

Anonymous said...

As a Edmonton Eskimos fan i will tell you dont give up on Chris Jones yet he will build a winner like he did in Edmonton .I loved the guy with my Eskies and all that I am saying give him time he WILL build a winner here.

Anonymous said...

Be honest, the chances of The Riders winning against Calgary were slim and the loss is not shocking to me. The lazy sloppy play is disturbing but our team is going to have to be humiliated a few times before the decisive wins start to come. We may win some close ones but the dominating ones are going to come when the players decide to all show up on game day. It's one thing to talk in front of the camera about how good your team is, it's another to go out every game and play solid games. We are not in the Calgary, Edmonton, BC level of football yet.

Anonymous said...

why not compare??...im sure you were one of the rider fans that was all for to hiring jones...I heard the coach's of the past say many times " we weren't prepared"...same excuses, different coach

Anonymous said...

Hey Rod. in all those past years how many times did we have an OLD MAN as a QB like we do now?

Anonymous said...

Also, as a player coming up from the USA is Regina your prefered destination? Doubtful.

Anonymous said...

They could be 3-1 , or 2-1-1 but they are not and of course the Hamiltons,Montreals and the Bombers are not CFL powerhouses at present.So over the next few weeks, we shall see how they play against the rest of the league.My solution for whatever it is worth would be to get a REAL GM-ASAP. Murphy should be shown the door immediately, .has done nothing to bring in players, except other teams castoffs,relieve Jones of his GM duties and hire a GM like Tillman back again. He can find players, has many contacts and can build a team . We need someone that is in control of the organization .. Someone between Reynolds and Jones, that is for sure,Jones won 1 grey cup as a HC with an already built team in Edm and I don't think he will ever do that here if the status quo remains. I would be willing to bet any money on that.

Dex said...

Well said.

Maybe Jones is the genius coach everyone, including Jones, seems to think he is.....but he has been a crap GM.

Must win against the Argos. He and Murphy haven't found a single new player worth anything. All of the (expensive) free agents he brought here were found by other teams.

Teams need cheap young talent and we have none.

Anonymous said...


The above poster says he wants teams to have Calgary and BC like records continuously. Calgary has had Huf/Dickenson, BC has had Wally. Here, we just change and change and change. Rough times now, but if you want that continuity, Jones stays. If not, add another coach to that list with likely the same results.

Anonymous said...

First of all nobody would have sat down to re-watch that game other than the coaches. 2nd of all...it's simple...we need a QB!! With the poor showing of the O-line in the first half, Glenn is too slow to use his legs and make things happen. Where if he could do that, our talented group of receivers would find a way to get open. Hard to do when a receiver runs 10 yards down field and before he makes his move or cut your QB is already on his backside. You can have the best receivers ever but if your QB can't get them the ball, you might as well have the worst receivers. With Glenn this team will win 6 games at best, all against east teams, can't compete with the other powerhouses in the west. Might fluke out a win at home vs a west team, but don't bet on it. Put in Bridge and Williams now and see if they are the future of the franchise.

Anonymous said...

My two cents to many above ...

Why do the Riders need and always hire people that are proven to fit in our market. We have four cups in 100+ years. Is that method working?

We have such envy that Rider fans continuously down play the Bombers. Well to compete in the West Division means you are a good team. The four best teams in the league are all in the West. The Riders will miss the playoffs and would likely challenge to win the East.

Funny how people say Jones is accountable or didnt look in mirror. Didn't he publicly grade himslef an F?

A quarterback wins half of the games he starts. Does that make him successful? Was he really a team leader? Says who?

w said...

The organization finds new ways of incompetence to keep the culture of futility alive while ensuring the future will always suck.

Anonymous said...

takes time to rebuild in an 8 team league where you can spend what you want, and the riders are the richest team? rod I get it you have to tow the company line but come on. that coach comparison, maybe they were all just half assed coaches, coaching a mediocre team at best. history says the riders are not a great team, far from it actually, and to go back to how many pathetic teams there are in this "pro" league. even the sun shines on a dogs a$$ once in a while and they cant even get that right on a consistant basis. a new stadium doesn't change anything.

Anonymous said...

It's obvious that Murphy was riding with his feet in Hufnagel's stirrups. He hasn't uncovered one 'new' player and in that year and a half Huffer has discovered several gems.

Rider fan said...

I agree, demote Jones to head coach and bring Tillman back as GM

Anonymous said...

The continuing misconception is Jones has built winners. Jones' first 3 Grey Cups came as an asst coach in his first year with each team. He didn't walk into training camp as an asst coach & build a team to win that year. That's ridiculous. The Eskimos may have only won 4 games the year he got hired but 17 of the 24 starters that won the Cup in 2015 were already there in 2013. He deserves a lot of credit for coaching the Esks to a GC but he, & Murphy, get WAY too much press for building teams. Hufnagel & Hervey had final say on all players. We have seen first hand how good Jones & Murphy are now. Edmonton & Calgary continue to bring in good young players like Zylstra, Williams, Daniels w/o Jones & Murphy. Edmonton is leading the league playing 3 Cdns on defence @ LB, CB & Safety with Boateng, a 5th round pick this year on a regular rotation every game @ DE. Look @ what Popp & Trestman have done in 3 months. Jones & Murphy great builders? Compared to whom?

RidersWestman said...

I am doing my best to limit the harshness of my comments, and so, as politely as I can say it, I will start with questioning all of the debate as "are you really surprised?" I did not think that they would beat Calgary, at McMahon. The first half was abysmal. Yet, despite all of the positive spin which is thrown our way on this blog, which is fine when Rod and Company are tasked in part with to promoting this franchise, even if the message is often as see through a Swiss cheese and one certainly does not have to drink the green Koolaid,the fact remains that we went into this season with a 38 year old career back as our starter, in a league where you need a solid first rate QB to win. Period. I am not in any way trying to smear our QB as he seems like a good team guy and he does serve a purpose, being a valuable part of 8 teams over the years. But he is not a starter. Add to this the Donald Trump like antics and side show (I am not sure what all the fuss is about though in trying to keep everyone out of Rider practices over a fear of someone on the other team seeing their plays because it obviously does not translate into results) which can take away from any progress which the Coach and GM is making, and voila, 2017 is similar to the old days, and that is this team, more often than than not, being the door mat of the West, and not a contender. This is worn by the Board and Reynolds, not just Jones. Finally, despite all of the construction and economic improvement one sees when travelling to Saskatchewan over the past few years, and it without question being a nice shiny new stadium, I still cannot entirely understand how it can be so easily justified that spending around $300 million dollars is fine for a facility which that will house 10 Rider games a year (1 preseason and 9 regular season games assuming there is no home playoff date) and a handful of other games or concerts. Will it is used 30 days out of 365 annually, other than for Rider practices during the season? U am a huge sports fan but I also own a business and wonder about this public investment. If Saskatchewan was flush with money and had few issues with health care or education or its roads, then have at it. But what is it with government a d many who work with government, in that spending what you do not have will eventually catch up to you and break the bank or leave the mess for someone else to clean up. And yet throwing money at a problem does not always solve it either, which is how I tie this back to the Riders, paying a boat load of money for little results thus far, and it also being far too expensive to eat the contract and go a different route. Things take time and patience is a virtue, so one may see a turnaround next year. Until then,like the farmers of the prairies, it comes down to how for a better day and better year to come.

CM said...

Got to give Jones at least this year, but I admit doesn't look too promising. The Barrett team was bringing in young athletes. This team is based off a 38 yr old QB and key Cdn olinemen are well into their 30's. The last 2 drafts have not yielded a starter yet Singleton can start for Calgary and he was chosen AFTER the Riders picked. Next time hire an experienced GM first. Best one over the past 20 years has been ET hands down. Roy was great at finding athletes. The rest have been pretty poor, despite Taman's cup win. A few more games like the last one and its time to play Marquise.

Anonymous said...

Fans are fed up with Jones and his ego. He is not a likeable guy even if the Riders were winning. How long can this losing be tolerated?

Anonymous said...

Jones was not a GM in Edmonton so he did not build a winner. He coached a winner. He worked with players that were already there or that Hervey brought in for him. Huge difference.

Dex said...

Chris Jones has no problem jettisoning players that are not "his guys". Why should he not be held responsible for his "less than mediocre" results?

Anonymous said...

Riders are #5 in points allowed and #8 in sacks.Our DB's always seem to be out of position unless they are called for PI or Illegal Contact. Who is the D Coordinator again??
I feel the D has let us down. Lack of pressure using a 3 man rush does not produce sacks. Two O-linemen on each of our D Linemen equals zero pressure. I can't figure out how year after year coach after coach and player after player our DB's are always playing off the receivers watching them catch the ball wide open then try to tackle. Watch other teams DB's and they seem to be right on top of our receivers. Jeez.
The comparison of previous years was interesting and reminded me how bad the Riders have been for most of my adult life.
We were spoiled in 2013 and expected a good team for more years. As usual Rider fans have been treated to more inept performances.Does it really matter who is coach or GM? None seem to be able to build a lasting dominant Rider team.

Anonymous said...

This team needs to start winning ASAP, been a long run....

I have been watching most of the other CFL games and they have been entertaining for the most part regardless of whom I was cheering for. Some really good teams out their this year. Riders are in trouble, I am just a fan so the powers at be better get something done.




Anonymous said...

From the mid 60s to mid 70s the Riders were a dominant team but only won 1
Grey Cup. But most don't remember or were not born yet!

Anonymous said...

The Riders continue to be inept because they never make actual change. They almost always hire from within.

If change is on the horizon it is time to say goodbye to Reynolds, Jones, Murphy and O'Day and start fresh.

Anonymous said...

Austin is toast in Hamilton. Riders need to butter him up for a return to Riderville in 2018!

Anonymous said...

The true test to see what this team is made of is about to begin. Next 6 games are TOR, 2 vs BC, EDM and 2 vs WPG. It's make or break time.

Anonymous said...

So...I wonder which of our first half plays were the secret ones that they didn't want leaked to Calgary?? Must have been all of our terrific punts!! They were well executed (most of them)...GREAT JOB!! No imagination in this offence again this year. Why were we punting on 3rd and 8 with only a few minutes left and down by 17?? Rarely tried to really stretch the field. Can't establish the running game (yet Marshall seems like a talented back, but under utilized)....same act as last year just a different cast....and the challenges??? CFL really needs to do something about this. How about back to 1 challenge per half, so use it wisely. This challenge of illegal contact on a receiver, when the receiver is 30 yards away from the actual play needs to stop.

Anonymous said...

Not sure what is more entertaining the football experts that post here or the Trump Tire Fire. Neither have a clue.

Anonymous said...

Thew great Austin is toast in Hamilton. It won't be long until the hammer drops there. For all the hype etc, the Austin experiment has not yielded any results. That all the while ET is behind the scenes and acting as the de-facto GM. Everything that is shiny is not always gold.

Some fans are pretty stupid no doubt. They would have had Jones keep all these older high paid guys and yes we would be losing with them. Chick isn't doing much, Dressler only lights it up against us and has done little in Wpg. Durant hasn't taken Montreal to the promised land, Smith has done nothing in Wpg. So this isn't about anything more than some people are incessant bitchers. A few prima-donnas have come here for the money but wanted out because they didn't want to play a team game. They wanted to make it about themselves. Then look at all the good players we lost to the NFL. Not Jones fault but hurt us big time.

The biggest mistake Jones has made was not getting a proven capable QB. DD did nothing last year but wanted more than the 400K he earned last year. Not worth it plain and simple! Vince Young thing was what he was putting money on to no avail. Glenn is a career back-up and "NOT" a starter.

With the receivers we have, not having a quality QB is killing us. I don't care about Glenn's stats because stats are for losers. We needed a quarterback . Franklin isn't signing in Edmonton and Sunderland knows that. He is hoping to extort the Riders for certain but sometimes you have to bite the bullet. He also doesn't want to have Reilly go down and have nothing behind him nor does he want want Franklin to come in here and turn this ship around.

Outside of the Riders no team will trade for him without a contract in place and Franklin isn't signing. I expect at some point Sunderland will try to get something from the Riders for Franklin because after all; that's where he's going to be next season. Get him now!

Our biggest problem is a winning QB. Someone who can keep the offence on the field more, and keep the defence on the field less……..

CM said...

Lol about the anon comment saying the fans have no clue. Don't live in Sask but I heard the post game show and the fans are more knowledgeable than any other place in this country. You don't have to be Belichek to see the product was unentertaining and not competitive. As for the comment about the former players doing nothing, Messam just crushed the Riders. And the replacements are NOT better than those who left. That's why the fans are so frustrated. When Roy was there look at the athletes he brought in. Kenton Keith, Burris, Curtis Marsh, Jamel Richardson, Omar Morgan, McCalla etc. Other than Jefferson and Leonard, look whose here now lol.

Anonymous said...

All the years it finally took for players wanting to come here to play is getting torn down in the short time Jones has been here. Players around the league will here from others how Jones treats players and will think roughriders, no thanks

Anonymous said...

Well said!

Anonymous said...

Imagine how bad the Roughriders would have lost without a 'closed practice'.

Anonymous said...

Unlike Rider fans the TSN crew along with other media closer to the situation believe there will be a lot of interest for Franklin by other clubs. Do you think Austin or Reed wouldn't trade for him in a nano-second? If Mtl & Hamilton don't make the post-season there'll be tremendous pressure there, not to mention allowing them to dump Collaros, the highest paid player in the league, or Durant, another high paid player. If Winnipeg doesn't get better than 4th, Walters will be in the bidding as well. Just paying the Esks what they want is oversimplified. If I'm Sunderland what has Regina got that I want? What players have the Riders come up with that the Esks desperately need in order to trade Franklin's rights to a Western rival? Two of the Eastern clubs will likely miss the playoffs. In Riderville things are so simple - wait till Franklin becomes a FA & get him for nothing. That talk has died down - the Esks will trade him before FA to the highest bidder from the East, most likely, unless a Western opponent steps up to the plate & offers a lot more. Keep dreaming. The LEAST likely place, not MOST likely place he'll end up is in Regina.

Anonymous said...

Smith has done nothing in WPG because....he RETIRED!!

Anonymous said...

Saskatchewan is the Winnipeg Jets or Edmonton Oilers of the CFL. We are not the destination of choice unless we are winning or no other team is willing to sign you. The stadium and fans may be the best in the league but still hard to recruit when as a player you see cities like Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver and Calgary, which have what the big American cities have, lots of thing to do and nightlife. These teams all seem to have decent facilities as well. And you are not under the microscope either like you are here.

True many of them are here to play football and go back home after, but they still want to have some fun away from work.

Anonymous said...

Tillman?? LOL!

Anonymous said...

I think I was the only upset fan in rider nation when Chamblin was let go. I thought he was a good coach just fell off a bit with some key major injuries. I thought he got let go prematurely and then I accepted it thinking we were moving forward. We have only moved backward and I think chamblin with the right gm would have turned things around. I'm sure I will be called stupid for this post but it's just my opinion.

3RD and 1 said...

I'm sorry but your wrong about Glen! When he had an online that could protect him. Glen went 12-6 and 14-4. Since those 2 years in Calgary he has played for BC who had no protection then Montreal which was even worse. Then in Winnipeg as a back up on a 1 year contract. Here he is in SK. Glen proved in the Hamilton game that if you protect him he will respond. He drove for 40 points in the Winnipeg game. Only to have a defence blow coverages several times for TDs. Then in Montreal the kicker missed the winning 45 yard field goal. Glen is not the problem. He's the least of the Riders problems.
To say that Dressler has done nothing is your perspective but again you are wrong. Dressler was over a 1000 yards last year. How many Rider receivers were over a 1000 yards last year? None.
Why you brought up Smith is beyond me. He retired from football
Chick was second in the league for sacs last year. He is still a top 5 Dend in this league.
Your multiple paragraph opinions were nothing more than personal dribble with no facts or substance. Seriously flawed.
The Riders have many problems. Had Jones started negotiations with Chics and Dresslers Agent right after taking over. They could have gotten it done. Instead Jones waited until the last minute and played the bully scenario with a take it or leave it. This is why he is becoming unpopular. He wants players to homie and respect the game. When he dosent come anywhere near that kind of philosophy himself

Anonymous said...

Why are we waiting for Franklin? Is he really that good? What if he isn't. Should we not be trying to find or mould our next QB? We're not beating Calgary, Edmonton B.C or Winnipeg this year with Glenn or Bridge.So should we not be playing the younger unproven guy to see what we got? I Dunno , Just because the Geniuses who paid and Gave Jones all those titles, and all that money, and now he feels the pressure and the need to win now at all costs because his job's on the line. Is that OUR problem as a fan base? I think most of us would rather see a solid foundation built with good young players who will be here winning for a long time. We've been waiting for this for four years.Jones is grabbing every veteran DB who is released he's starting a 38 y/o QB who's best years are behind him..WHY? WHY? WHY? It's not Chris Jones's fault tho anyone would have took that money and those job titles anyone! I blame Reynold's and the Rider Brass who felt the need to promise him all that just to lure him away from Edmonton..It was a big big mistake and someone should be held accountable.

3RD and 1 said...

You forget that Franklin and Jones have a good relationship. It was Jones the HC and assistant GM in Edmonton that brought Franklin in to the league. As well the Riders are
a young team (youngest in the CFL) and I can assure you that this has already been pitched to Franklin. He can go into SK with a Head Coach and GM that already knows what he can do. Plus the 46 man Cap is well under control now. In fact the Rider front office has tried to leak out the fact that they are under the cap more than any other team. Meaning that money is not an issue to sign. There is no way in hell that Kavis Reed is going to give up on Durant after 1 season. Kavis Reed and Durant go back to 2009.
The chances of Hamilton dumping Austin and Collaros in the same year. Absolutely not.
So I'm sorry but Franklins best opportunity with a good fit is in SK. A young QB to grow with his young team in a new stadium with state of the art equipment and money room on the cap. As well as a GM and HC that has all the confidence in you. Pretty easy decision for Franklin.

Anonymous said...

Should have kept durant, until a viable succesor was actually found, plain and simple. He would have stayed had a fair offer been presented without public insults being hurled by the supposed leader of the organization.

Anonymous said...

But what if Franklin is as good as he has shown in the opportunities he has had. You can bet he has developed very well, learning from Mike Reilly and Jason Moss. He will be a free agent and he will be at the top of the Rider's must sign list.

Anonymous said...

Funny thing about sports in general, everything is based on hindsight. Not unlike the stock market or politics.

Anonymous said...

Every QB in the east has been traded for and is under contract for a couple years. None are free agents after this year. Franklin won't be in the east and will be with the Riders before too long regardless what the Esk fan thinks. He is deluding himself to think that will not happen. No Eastern teams with QB's under contract are going to give away assets for a rental QB without a contract. The Riders will end up being Sunderland's only choice or the Riders get him for free next season. The Riders have an abundance of players wanting to play here. This BullSh_t about players not wanting to play for Jones is just that BS. No doubt started by some Jones hater without an facts whatsoever. No proof and if said by one or two guys, that kind of stuff can be found all around the league with all coaches. Bitter guys who didn't get what they wanted. Dennis who was reported to be the best FA available came where….oh ya it was here to play for who?…oh ya it was Jones. Idiots who spout off that unsubstantiated crap are just that bitter idiots. If no proof then spout off CNN crap you know…fake news.

You need to be fluid and constantly trying to upgrade QB's. The all go from team to team. I hope there are any so mindless to think that if we develop a good QB, he wouldn't be gone to free agency in three years or so? Burris, Tate, Willy and the list goes on. To think that some homegrown QB if such a thing exists will be here for 10 years or so is idiocy. Unless talking to agents or being in on the negotiations nobody know what went on. What was being asked for and what was offered? It has been reported with some inside accuracy that at least a couple guys who didn't re-sign ended up playing for less because their ego were hurt. In the end it came down to them and no the Riders. As soon a people figure that out the better off we will be. Jones know he needs a QB upgrade and he will get one. In Jones we trust!

Anonymous said...

(3RD and 1) is correct in his assessment of Franklin. All of the Eastern teams have QB under contract at big money, and which of those teams would want to cut their starter loose? They won't trade assets for an unsigned Franklin. Franklin could have signed in Edmonton if he had wanted their offer but he has not. He knows where the grass will be greener(no pun intended). He has a reportedly good relationship if Jones and they have the $$$ to sign him. I don't think this is a matter of if; but merely a matter of when!

I get sick of these fools who keep saying if they had made DD a good offer or someone else a good offer..blah blah blah. You have no idea what the offers were, how they were structured, or the length of contracts. It believed that some of the sweethearts who left here actually did so for less money. Why would we want a player that stupid?

Anonymous said...

you said. And it goes higher than Jones and Murphy

Anonymous said...

Correction SWC
Shebockling - the riders took a Shebockling.

Anonymous said...

They were man handled, this is the first tough team they played, and it showed

Anonymous said...

Jones was NOT asst GM in Edmonton & you are assuming he was the one that brought him there, 3rd and 1. Jones gets undue credit for players brought to Edmonton. He has proved his worth in finding talent or lack thereof after leaving there. Secondly, Franklin does not control who he is traded to & whomever gets his rights has time to sign him, just like Hervey pre-empted the chance of Reilly going to Winnipeg by trading for his rights before he hit FA. Thirdly, if the Riders finish out of the playoffs, a distinct possibility, why go there? There's also a real good chance Jones won't even be there. As for your assertion that the benefits of Regina have been pitched to him, that only shows you consider Jones the same way a lot of the fan base does, someone who bends the rules. Lastly, as for the CAP, if Franklin ends up in Mtl, Hamilton or Winnipeg for example (2 nice new stadiums in the latter two as well) salary won't be an issue because Collaros is the most expensive guy in the league, Nichols & Durant make pretty good coin too & those salaries will be gone. It never ceases to amaze me how Riderville always assumes that players MUST see Regina as the ideal landing spot. In fact, lots of big FA's go elsewhere every year. So what does that tell you? Could it be public spats Jones keeps having with ex-players has affected his hiring ability along with his miserable record to date? The Riders have ZERO control over what happens to Franklin anymore than they have control over Jennings or Mitchell. They are ALL under contract to OTHER teams who can move them where they want. Newsflash - fussing over some other team's QB is NOT a winning formula. You wanted Jones, you got him. If he hasn't brought you the talent you need to win. Deal with it.

Anonymous said...

Uhhh, Durant was here for 11 seasons and was pretty well homegrown - came here as a rookie. Idiocy indeed!

Anonymous said...

Franklin Franklin Franklin ..He better be Tom Brady or Doug Flutie or Warren Moon if we're willing to write off another season waiting for him!

Anonymous said...

I have some idea on the numbers and negotiating tactics of Jones, through the reporting of Farhan Lalji and others at the time.

Also, if Dressler says he felt the negotiations werent done in good faith (which he did), I believe that 100%. That is the issue. Jones is classless and is therefore very hard to support. Sometimes fan favorites have to go - I get it and could get on board with those moves, if done with some respect.

Anonymous said...

You trust in Trump too, dont ya?

Anonymous said...

And you know this as a member of the Clueless Club or what?

Anonymous said...

Well said, maybe jones should ask flutie to suit up , no stone unturned right

Anonymous said...

RidersWestman-
It wasn't a public investment per se per se, New stadium a forced upon entity to the taxpayers of
Regina by a few so called (so they think) entitled privileged. Sask. Party Provincial by-pass around Regina a boondoggle mess that will result in 20 billion plus deficit when all is said and done in the future. He'll of a mess out here at Sask. Very astute comment/opinion RidersWestman, thank you for pointing out the obvious others can't see.

Ray R

Anonymous said...

Also, if Dressler says he felt the negotiations werent done in good faith (which he did), I believe that 100%. That is the issue. Jones is classless and is therefore very hard to support. Sometimes fan favorites have to go - I get it and could get on board with those moves, if done with some respect.


Jones to Dressler: We can give you X dollars per year

Dressler to Jones: How about Y dollars per year


Jones to Dressler: thanks for your services, I said I can only give you X dollars. We are informing you that you will be released tomorrow morning.


Jones has no obligation to "negotiate" with Dressler, it was either take a pay cut to X dollars, or be released. Same deal for Chick. Both Chick and Dressler thought Jones was a sucker like Taman and that it was a negotiation, it wasn't, and now they are playing elsewhere.

End of story, grow a pair, quit crying, move on!

Anonymous said...

Make it happen, Mr. Reynolds. Make it happen.

Anonymous said...

Yeh and there isn't one guy on the Roughriders right now that would put the effort that Dressler did when tackling the guy on the interception in the final seconds of Winnipeg's last game. Not one.

Anonymous said...

Yes it appears jones has made sask. A place to avoid again, after all the dissing of players that has gone on here lately. Who would want to play here now. Word gets around fast in a small league where everyone knows each other

Anonymous said...

Haha - so what, you have tapes of their discussions? Dressler 1 - Jones 0. That is all.

Anonymous said...

Jones doesnt have to negotiate with anyone - so if he has no intention of doing so HE SHOULD SAY THAT. Not fiegn interest and negotiate in bad faith with highly respected individuals.

Stop crying about how people dont like jones! It is what it is, grow a pair and move on!

Anonymous said...

Yeah really, what was the closed practise all about ?